Amirite?

"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake) 01/22/2014 at 14:47 • Filed to: None

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I'm sure I came off as a bit of a dick, but I stand by the statement. Probably because I drive a FWD car.

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:49

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You're not alone. My first car is an FWD Kia Sephia.
Plus i learn how to drive stick in a FWD Camry.

Is it wrong?

Brian Silvestro > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:50

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That guy's a douche. Don't the majority of opponauts have 4 cylinder engines?

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:50

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Yes, yes you are rite. Quite rite in fact, and I don't say that just because I also drive a FWD car, with less than 6 cylinders to boot. Looking down on people in general is pretty unjalop. Or at least pretty unOppo

dogisbadob > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:50

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I agree with you, and so does the best car ever made :)

AM3R > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:51

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I've had lots of fun in my dads V6 Accord and my moms Odyssey. Both FWD. Maybe it was just the honda V6 but who knows.

I will admit I do have a little more fun in my RWD E90. (Probably because I wasn't constantly scared of crashing it and having my parents take away all my driving privileges)

Chris Clarke > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:51

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Kinda right. Its seems there are two factors combined that cause him to look down.

1. Drive FWD

2. Expect all cars to have a strait 6 or better.

I would otherwise agree with your statement that you are not a Jalop if you look down on people who drive FWD.

CAR_IS_MI > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:52

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Who cares. I am a dick all day long. Its funny (for me) and sometimes other people too. If you get your opinion hurt too easily, stay off the internet; its filled with all sorts of orec's and gollem's and trolls.

oldirtybootz > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:52

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I tried to recommend a screenshot of a comment... :/

But yes, I don't get the hate for FWD. I enjoy my car very much, am I less of a Jalop because it's FWD?

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:53

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I agree to some extent. To me, a jalop is a person who would make the most of any car. I own a 97 minivan and a 71 2002 and both are quite enjoyable and very different cars.

MonkeePuzzle > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:55

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don't we all look down upon priu drivers? and yet, they may well love their cars as much as the rest of us love our brown awd manual turbo wagons (BAMTW) ?

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:55

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I absolutely hate driving FWD in the rain or snow. Hell, a BMW 335i (not AWD) was doing better in the snow than my hand me down Hyundai Tucson winter DD. There are many cars that would be more fun with rear or all wheel drive. I like and respect your Cobalt. Mostly for what it can do, not what drivetrain it has. But I still think it would be awesome if it was RWD. FWD is fine for meh cars like a Camry. But you still gotta admit the most mundane cars would be more fun if they were RWD. I modded GTA3 and 4 for pc so that all cars were rear or all wheel drive.

That being said, go ahead and look down on a car, but not the driver.

Jayhawk Jake > AM3R 01/22/2014 at 14:55

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Well, I wasn't denying the fun of RWD, just saying that looking down on someone based on the driven wheels is anti-jalop

MonkeePuzzle > Brian Silvestro 01/22/2014 at 14:56

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a recent poll says yes, and FWD, and japanese

someone should do an oppo dream car poll. RWD straight 6 may well be right up there in the desires

Stupidru > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:56

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I don't hate FWD, I'm just an AWD snob

Jayhawk Jake > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 01/22/2014 at 14:57

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I don't have a Cobalt.

Anyways, 90% of the time it just doesn't matter. I don't need to drift on my way to work. I don't think my car would be that much more fun RWD, it's plenty fun for what it is.

505Turbeaux > Brian Silvestro 01/22/2014 at 14:57

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yeah pretty damn much. I gots a few.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. 01/22/2014 at 14:58

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Allow me to show you the stereotypical response - YES BECAUSE YOU DIDNT LEARN IN A MIATA IN FACT WHY DONT YOU HAVE A MIATA RIGHT NOW YOU CAN USE MIATAS FOR EVERYTHING WHY ARE YOU NOT IN A MIATA RIGHT NOW DRIVING ONE MIATA MIATA MIATA!!!!

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 01/22/2014 at 14:59

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Here's the problem with excessive RWD cars on the road - people who don't care will be behind the wheel. And much like me not being interested in any sport that doesn't involve an engine, you aren't going to magically convert everyone to petrolheads simply by making their cars more unstable in the rain.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > MonkeePuzzle 01/22/2014 at 14:59

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I always wonder if it's the car or the image that comes with the car that they love. Remember, for some people, image is everything.

AM3R > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:59

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Oh yeah I completely agree with you. I was just trying to say you can have fun in any car. Sure we all have preferences but who cares

Deven > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 14:59

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You didn't come off as a dick, in the slightest bit. If I understand it correctly a jalop is someone who appreciates a car for what it is, now there are certain cars that are liked more, miata, and some that are despised, Prius, but you guys don't look down on people because of what they drive. So in my opinion that person came off sounding slightly like an asshat

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:00

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Urrite

Brian Silvestro > MonkeePuzzle 01/22/2014 at 15:01

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BMW made a straight six manual RWD wagon

MonkeePuzzle > Brian Silvestro 01/22/2014 at 15:02

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was it brown, turbo and diesel? :P

Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/22/2014 at 15:03

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Well, yeah..

But in here miata cost 59k USD :(

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > MonkeePuzzle 01/22/2014 at 15:03

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That's a good idea. If you don't want to do it, I'll run with the idea (and give credit, of course).

Brian Silvestro > MonkeePuzzle 01/22/2014 at 15:04

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In Europe they probably made a diesel one

MonkeePuzzle > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/22/2014 at 15:04

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it did certainly seem that the Prius came at a time when APPEARING environmentally minded was important, especially to hollywood types. I think deep down, or perhaps not even that far down, all we Jalops recognize it is a good car, with relevant technology and important to our future as car nerds

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:05

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Oh yea, my bad. I was thinking of that Nick guy. You have the Dankey Kang, aka Sonic. Like I said, it's generally ok. But god I hate the torque steer in this Hyundai. My sister sprang for the V6, leather, heated seats, 6CD changer, sunroof... but not AWD.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > MonkeePuzzle 01/22/2014 at 15:06

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Exactly, it's kind of like the Ferrari owner whose only worry is to showoff.

Nibbles > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:08

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It's not about what you have, but what you do with it ;)

MonkeePuzzle > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/22/2014 at 15:09

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as long as they do it during my lunch break that's all that matters :D

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/i-heard-a-ferr…

fhrblig > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:09

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I don't get it when some guys say all FWD cars suck or have terrible handling. I've driven plenty of them that have put a smile on my face. Hell, even my Oldsmobile Alero was a blast on twisty roads and cornered well. If someone thinks there are no good FWD cars, they need to go out and drive more of them.

MonkeePuzzle > Brian Silvestro 01/22/2014 at 15:09

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I approve

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW. 01/22/2014 at 15:11

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MIATA! MUST BE MIATA! MIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

.....or toyobaru.

PS9 > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:12

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Arrogant dickhead detected. I'll be avoiding/dismissing Mr. Straight Six from now on.

MonkeePuzzle > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 01/22/2014 at 15:12

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proceed onwards

I tried to find you a link to the recent poll of what oppo actually drives, you shall have to find that on your own as I failed :P

M54B30 > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:17

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As someone who drives a RWD straight 6, let me chime in.
1) the guys an idiot
2) RWD I6 is nice
3) people can't all afford cars that are soooo "Jalop". People buy Civics, Accords, Accents, whatever because they need cars to get from A to B. No biggie. Buy what you need, love what you have
4) as noted, looking down on people's car choices is unJalop. Gentle ribbing (your corolla is boring, your miata is for chicks, you're a douche for having a BMW, etc) is ok but not "I don't get how you drive a minivan. Your 6 kids easily for into 5 Miatas. You gave up on life, shame on you".
5) I bet this guy is a self professed car nut at work but nobody else who is into cars will talk to him
6) he might be 14 and have no experience paying bills and realizing you have to make compromises and you just might not have the funniest, RWDiest, Straight 6iest car in the world.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/22/2014 at 15:19

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Unless you live in Vietnam or any of the SE Asian countries, at which point, the Miata is not the answer. Hell, a Toyobaru in Vietnam would cost the equivalent to a mid-spec S-Class here. Or even a Ferrari FF, for that matter.

MIATAAAA > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:19

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I'm confused. The Fiat Panda TwinAir IS FWD.

ttyymmnn > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:20

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Anybody who looks down on anybody for any reason is a jerk. The world would be a better place if everybody were just nice to each other.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:24

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You stood up for me again! And yes! You are right... we are not all rich Jalops here with endless pockets to drive silly cars... we need practicality sometimes... we need a cheap reliable car... thats why I drive a Honda Civic

Jayhawk Jake > MIATAAAA 01/22/2014 at 15:25

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Yeah, he's saying the Panda throws out his FWD bias.

Because this didn't

Or this

Or one of these

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:25

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Yeah he's an idiot.

I DD a FWD V6 Milan because I have the Montego.

If I didn't have the Montego, I'd need something more fun. It's just a commuter car.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 01/22/2014 at 15:26

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You act like the mindless horde listens to reason. You should see what they say if you tell them you don't like either :P

Jayhawk Jake > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 01/22/2014 at 15:28

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Heheheh...Dankey Kang. I wonder if 'Dankey Kang Driver' can fit in my screen name?

cazzyodo > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/22/2014 at 15:28

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I joined a coworker on a lunch run in his Prius last year and I can honestly say, for me, it's the car. Not appealing in any way (and the image doesn't help I guess).

I've driven since.

JustWaitingForAMate > MonkeePuzzle 01/22/2014 at 15:31

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Reader's rides summary .

Data collected from ~200 entries.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > cazzyodo 01/22/2014 at 15:31

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It has zero appeal to me as well, but if someone buys a Prius, and genuinely enjoys driving it, as opposed to doing so for the image associated with it, who am I to say they're wrong...?

cazzyodo > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion 01/22/2014 at 15:34

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True story.

Oddly enough I'm pretty sure my coworker doesn't like it...perhaps his wife does. That's a whole other subsection of drivers: those who hate their car but value life more.

MIATAAAA > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:36

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I see.

Lord, I drive a Toyota Matrix XRS, and THAT convinced me that I love FWD (for completely different reasons than I love RWD and/or AWD and/or 4WD).

I LOVE ALL THE KINDS OF WAYS TO DRIVE ALL THE KINDS OF WHEELS.

desertdog5051 > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 15:38

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I bet that if you asked him to list the rest of his bias's, you would find it a long list.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 16:06

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I've never owned a FWD and I generally look down on them.

However 1.) that's only a very general rule and 2.) I dont look down on the people who drive them.

People make their car buying decisions for any number of reasons and sometimes people even have different reasons than me for wanting a car! Crazy but true!

I look down on FWD vehicles (generally speaking) because FWD is, in my eyes a handicap of sorts. It goes in the "minus" side of the equation. It's not a good thing about a car it's a bad thing. But it's also just one of many aspects that make up that car. You can have a big minus in the minus column (such as FWD) and still have an excellent car. I would take a nicely sorted Integra Type R in a heartbeat. Hell, a 1st generation Neon with a m/t would entertain the shit out of me, so long as no one was watching.

KirkyV > feather-throttle-not-hair 01/22/2014 at 17:08

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I'm European, and so many of my absolute favourite cars - cars that I'd have over pretty much anything else - are FWD that I've never really understood the bias against it. I think it's a simple consequence of some parts of the world missing out on most of the best FWD cars, and so only really seeing FWD cars as boring people-movers, rather than real driver's cars.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Justin is driven > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 17:47

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FWD can be fun too, I just prefer RWD. There are plenty of lustworthy FWD cars. There are even FWD cars I much rather have than some RWD cars.

Frankly, most of the guys who MUST HAVE a RWD car also MUST HAVE more horsepower than they know what to do with or could ever use because they never go to the track. They are douches. Simple as that.

At least this guy thinks the Panda is cool, even while shitting on FWD in general.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2014 at 18:08

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Does he know what this is?

Jayhawk Jake > BrownMiataDieselWagon 01/22/2014 at 18:36

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I bet you he would regard it as 'something something ricer something something useless wing something something fart can'

feather-throttle-not-hair > KirkyV 01/22/2014 at 18:50

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While it's true that in the US, our least fun-to-drive cars all happen to be fwd, I don't think that this is why I personally have a problem with them. As I said I've driven fwd cars that left me very impressed. But they didn't leave me impressed because they were fwd, they left me impressed because they were so much fun despite being fwd. the best fwd cars are great partially because they conceal their front wheel drive nature effectively.

On the other hand, my buddies piece of shit crown Victoria, is kind of a piece of shit. It would be no fun and have no redeeming fun-to-drive qualities, except that it's rear wheel drive. It is therefore hilarious to fool around with on the wet Seattle streets and parking lots around here.

I feel the same way about fwd cars as I do about underpowered cars. It's a strike against them, but it doesn't mean they can't still be hugely fun and/or great in their own right despite their deficiencies.